posted by
owlfish at 01:02pm on 26/02/2009
Is there any kind of (Christian) church law which is not canon law? Or does "canon law" cover all ecclesiastical law?
Feasting in the Northern Oceans of Medieval Academia. Clarification.
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As long as we're talking laws rather than doctrine.
Why?
Because the thing that popped into my head immediately was not the issue of law/kinds of law (it's either canon or secular, AFAIK), but rather where and over whom canon law has jurisdiction or worse, jurisdictional precedence.
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It defines ecclesiastical law as "the law, derived from Canon and Civil law, administered by such courts [those of the Established Church]."
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There's also Roman law, which was studied by clerks in medieval universities and influenced canon law.
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I ask, since there's a case in Japan in the 13th century (or early 14th?) where the court does not like the result of one interpretation of their penal codes, and so not only do they go back to the legal experts and demand further analysis, they start calling up the Tang penal code to back up their desired result (to throw the book at a shrine officiant who hit another on the head during an offering).
Since the Tang had been fallen for over 300 years by then, I find this rather ridiculous in terms of adjusting things until you get the result you want. (In their defense, the Japanese law was based on the Tang. Against their defense, they knew it was different, and weren't above playing up the difference when it suited them to.)
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Are there sources in European languages on medieval Japanese law? I'd love to read more about legal systems in other parts of the world in the thirteenth century.
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For estate suits, you have some translations in the collections by Jeffrey Mass for the Kamakura Bakufu (1185-1331), which operated in parallel with the court's decisions (although the customary law involving estates did have a certain amount of stability between court and bakufu). The Goseibai shikimoku has been translated, but that translation's a little dodgy in parts (journal article somewhere, I think)--that's a list of rules put out by the Kamakura Bakufu, and the succeeding Muromachi Bakufu's codes are translated in Laws of the Muromachi Bakufu (1981). The introduction of that, and the commentaries in Mass, are the most legally legal history I've seen.
The court codes (the ones based on the Tang ones) were penal and administrative--and I can't think of a particularly good source that covers them as a whole in English. Until fairly recently, in fact, the assumption had been that they were unimportant for medieval Japanese society. The scholar who's done the most to argue against that is the one who wrote up the shrine case I mentioned before. I think if there was a French or German translation of the ritsuryo ("penal/administrative"), I think I would have run across it, instead of seeing different translations in excerpts of books I read. But that's not the case.
There's some things here and there about criminal cases, but not that much that I can think of put together. Going from what Karl Friday says about the 10th century and also things later, it may be because aside from those that the court had direct control over--that is to say, its own members--all you could do is destroy/confiscate property or kill the suspect. When you could catch them. That probably needs further study--I have read an article on jurisdiction rights in criminal pursuits (estates were generally immune to official entry) for Kamakura's agents, but that was in Japanese again.
For the later medieval period--1450 until 1600 or so, David Eason's dissertation (UCLA, either 2006 or 2007 I think) would cover things, but that's all I'm aware of offhand. (1450-1800 is a gap in my advisors' expertise. Which means I'm better on Meiji [late 19th cen] law than Tokugawa [1600-1867] or Warring States).
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I know when I was growing up Catholic, I was under the impression from my religion classes, that Canon Law referred to articles of faith (the Trinity, Immaculate Conception, etc.), but that there were also laws that dictated when you go to church and how to eat (or not eat) during Lent, etc. I'm not sure that they had a separate name, though.