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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 10:49am on 27/06/2006
A very, very happy birthday to Colin!




On the subject of birthdays, the recent proposed profile page redesign/Vox/LJ-is-for-teenagers kerfuffle has quite reasonably resulted in LJ wanting a better idea of what the actual age distribution of its users is.

The problem is, there's no way to tell them without either telling the universe exactly what one's birthday is, or telling no one at all. LJ has some very handy little ways of letting its users know what birthdays are forthcoming among those on a friendslist, but this only works when the date is shared. There's no way to share just the date and not the year, so many only list the date - leaving LJ with no idea how old their average user actually is. I have no real objections to people I know and trust knowing this sort of information about me. I do object to random online people knowing so easily - it's just one more piece of data which risks identity fraud, and there's no point compounding the problem when so much is already available so freely online. I'm feeling indecisive as to what to do about this right now - up the average LJ age, or keep what birthday information I have here publically available.
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posted by [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com at 10:55am on 27/06/2006
I've given my complete birth-date and screened it from public view for the moment, but am inclined to go back to day/month and open when the Powers That Be have had a chance to gather the stats in question.
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 01:47pm on 27/06/2006
That's a sensible approach.
 
posted by [identity profile] easterbunny.livejournal.com at 11:53am on 27/06/2006
I remembered having to enter my birthdate at registration to prove that I was over 13, but I've just reread the registration small print:

"Age Verification
Please select the month, day, and year you were born. We require this information to create an account in order to comply with the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA). This information is not stored in our database and is only used during account creation."


Seems to me that they could just store the year in a separate database table away from other account information - or even subtract birthdate from registration date and store anonymous ages that could be automatically updated in a table separate from account info. This would introduce some false dates when journals expire or undergo deletion, but it would still be as or more accurate than asking users to voluntarily expose their birthdates on a profile page (as somewhere between 0% and 100% of users would comply).
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 01:46pm on 27/06/2006
If only they'd thought of that way back when...
 
posted by [identity profile] fub.livejournal.com at 01:27pm on 27/06/2006
There is a nice checkbox next to where you can fill in your birthdate, marked 'Show your birthday to other users'. Uncheck it, and you're all set.

This is also mentioned in the news post you linked to!
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 01:45pm on 27/06/2006
Yes there is, and therein lies the dilemma. Many of my f'list relies on publically available birthdate data to wish each other happy birthday. It's certainly no problem if they don't happen to notice mine (my ego can stand it!), but they won't know when it is if I uncheck that box - and I certainly would for the duration of having the year attached to it.
 
posted by [identity profile] wakarusa.livejournal.com at 01:52pm on 27/06/2006
I posted a suggestion that they redesign the user profile (again, sorry) to include a section where you could check a box next to your age range instead - 18-24, 25-40, 41-55, 55 plus, etc. Only there are 3,000 odd comments, so I don't know if they will EVER read mine.
 
posted by [identity profile] juniperus.livejournal.com at 02:06pm on 27/06/2006
I left mine public - my birth year is nothing to fear. Will not do the same for Emma's mostly-unused lj - kids are a different story.
 
posted by [identity profile] celandineb.livejournal.com at 03:23pm on 27/06/2006
I'm not sure if communities are folded into that, but I put my complete birthdate into [livejournal.com profile] cook_with_cel and then set it to not show; but I would assume that the PTB could still get that data. My birthdate (without year) shows on my regular LJ for just the reason you mention, so that friends know when it is.

What would be nice would be if the LJ maintainers could poll us, or something, to find out the average age. *shrugs* Or it seems like they could set something up so that everyone would have to log in once even if they usually don't, and then have to give age in order to do so. If they really wanted to know.
 
posted by [identity profile] maxineofarc.livejournal.com at 04:51pm on 27/06/2006
You could always lie? Alter the year, or the day?
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 05:06pm on 27/06/2006
So true. Neopets celebrates my birthday in October, for example.
 
posted by [identity profile] cavmn.livejournal.com at 03:52am on 28/06/2006
For nonsense websites (of which I definitely consider LJ one) & applications, I usually just pick the oldest year allowed in a pull-down menu. Correct day & month w/ the year set to 1900 or 1901 or similar. Most of my friends know I'm in my thirties. I find it humorous to think of a few strangers imagining me turning 106 this summer.

I did apply for a free gift from one company, and evidently they shared their application database w/ Globe Insurance company, because for a few years I kept getting retirement/senior citizen/long term care insurance offers from Globe.

My SSN was one of those recently stolen in the massive veteran database. That coupled with my birthday is a powerful combination for identity theft, so I don't advertise it all that much.

 
posted by (anonymous) at 11:26am on 02/07/2006
i don't mind people knowing mine either, but when i put it into my Blogger profile it automatically listed me as "Libra" and gave the Chinese horoscope year. Since I'm a cynical rationalist who has no truck with such things, I had to take it out again because i felt somehow misrepresented...
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 06:30pm on 02/07/2006
Happily, the problem's since been dealt with - LiveJournal have implemented more options determining how much birthday information is publically displayed. Now I can tell the company the year of birth, but not have it publically listed.

Funny about Blogger's horoscopic interest.

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