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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 04:14pm on 09/09/2005
Over the past two days, I have followed the Humiliation contest with bated breath. There were tight races on all sides of the competition. Would Noddy in Toyland or The Weirdstone of Brisingamen come in last? Would Tuck Everlasting, Pollyanna, or The Bad Beginning come in third-from-last? Would Harry Potter beat out all comers, as [livejournal.com profile] lazyknight and [livejournal.com profile] griffinick hoped, and [livejournal.com profile] kashmera feared?

The contest which had the most interesting developments and changes throughout was the race for third place. Peter Rabbit was a close third place for most of the contest, but slipped back a day into the race, with Where the Wild Things Are first tying and then overtaking. And then poor Peter slipped back even further as Alice in Wonderful and then Charlotte's Web and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory came from behind to leave Peter in the dust.

I also learned how much t.v. shows and movies can distort perceptions of how many people have read what book. Tuck Everlasting, The Polar Express, Pollyanna, and The Bad Beginning have all been major motion pictures - and all of them did rather badly in competition. Similarly, although Noddy may be a popular t.v. show, Enid Blyton's books, first published in 1940s, were rarely read by most of the people I know - even among the Brits, from the country where, to the best of my knowledge, the show primarily aired.

Fascinating trivia about the people who voted emerged from the voting: who could have guessed that exactly the same number of people (60) have read A Wrinkle in Time, The Velveteen Rabbit, The Secret Garden, and Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince?

In the end, though, there was a winner. Congratulations to [livejournal.com profile] rjw1 for being brave enough to admit that he's never read The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe! Your prize, if you choose to claim it, is a copy of that very book. Or we can continue to mock or admire you for your careful pruning of children's literature from your reading diet, in favor of Science Fiction, even as a youngster.

Commiserations to [livejournal.com profile] black_faery, who helped us to discover just how obscure the classic Noddy books are by ending up with the fewest votes in the competition.

I think the game went very well this time around. I'd consider running another game of it in another 4-6 months. If I did, what would you be most interested in?
[Poll #567306]
Any other feedback on this game is welcome too.

Thank you for playing!
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posted by [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com at 03:39pm on 09/09/2005
Enid Blyton's books (especially Noddy) disappeared from most school and public libraries in the late 60s/early 70s because of their racist content. Most of the people in your contest post-date that. The TV show bore but a passing resemblance to the books.
 
posted by [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com at 03:40pm on 09/09/2005
I think the problem with Mystery or Speculative fiction as categories is that I can't see a single work it would be humiliating to admit not having read.
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 03:47pm on 09/09/2005
I also considered doing historical time period based games, but it would be hard to make it competitive. It doesn't have to be fiction - but I suspect there's a less cohesive body of literature we'd have in common if the topic were History or Reference Books.

Can you think of any other robust categories for this game? Children's lit seemed to work out fairly well, despite the publishing vagaries of the multiple countries involved.
 
posted by [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com at 03:53pm on 09/09/2005
Tough. Maybe works in a particular language? I think particular periods might work. Classical, as in Greek and Rome, might work. Imagine admitting not having read the Iliad?
 
posted by [identity profile] black-faery.livejournal.com at 06:23pm on 09/09/2005
I haven't read it, and I'm not concerned to say that I haven't. I'm sure at some point when I have time and mental energy to devote to reading intelligent books, then I will do, but at the moment I'm quite happy using books as a non-taxing form of escapism.
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 03:52pm on 09/09/2005
Also, a large number of people I know are particularly science fiction and/or fantasy fans, so speculative fiction would appeal to them - and there are plenty of classics and most-read books in that genre. That's part of why The Hobbit won last time and The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe won this time - both books that would appeal to readers of fantasy novels - and also to medievalists.

I think there are other good categories, but my particular interests - and thus, the majority of the people I have things in common with and correspond with via LJ - limit the number of feasible categories I could really work with for this game.
 
posted by [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com at 03:55pm on 09/09/2005
I know what you mean but even if I hadn't read the Hobbit (or some other piece of pixieshit) I wouldn't be humiliated by it.
 
posted by [identity profile] sioneva.livejournal.com at 04:04pm on 09/09/2005
Well, I don't think [livejournal.com profile] owlfish is aiming for TRUE humiliation here...just guessing ;)
 
posted by [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com at 04:10pm on 09/09/2005
Well of course she's a much nicer person than me. I want full contact all in Humiliation to the death.
 
posted by [identity profile] paul-skevington.livejournal.com at 05:36pm on 09/09/2005
I don't think anyone would be truly humiliated by being forced to admit that they haven't read a book. As far as it goes though, I think several SF books have as much right, if not more, as the Iliad to produce this effect. The Iliad is one of those books that, as the old adage goes, everyone wants to have read, but nobody wants to read. It played a massive role in the development of modern literature, but there are many contemporary books that, in my opinion, are better. If I was forced to start choosing novels to erase from my memory, the Iliad would buy it before Perdido Street Station.
 
posted by [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com at 05:43pm on 09/09/2005
I don't think anyone would be truly humiliated by being forced to admit that they haven't read a book.

But the whole starting point was a fictional character whose career was wrecked by such an admission.

. The Iliad is one of those books that, as the old adage goes, everyone wants to have read, but nobody wants to read.

au contraire, I've read (and listened to) it several times and will surely do so again. I can only think of a handful of modern novels for which that is true.
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 05:59pm on 09/09/2005
In the context we're playing it in, it's not as humiliating a game as a good be. It helps to know that the game has its origins in English departments - it was originally set in one, as I understand it, and I first played with English PhD students. Of them admitted to never having read Huckleberry Finn, even though - filling in one day for another instructor - she'd actually taught a whole class on the book.

There are certainly books I'm rather embarassed that I've never read, and a fair many books that I really should have read, for professional reasons in particular.
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 06:00pm on 09/09/2005
My fingers can type whole wrong words when I'm not paying attention to them.

"as a good be" should have been "as it could be".
 
posted by [identity profile] black-faery.livejournal.com at 06:24pm on 09/09/2005
I'm entiely convinced that my fingers have a whole novel in there waiting to come out. Every so often words turn up that I have no recollection of writing, that don't belong at all!
 
posted by [identity profile] lady-octavia.livejournal.com at 04:09pm on 09/09/2005
ahh... what is speculative literature?
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 06:03pm on 09/09/2005
Speculative literature is term encompassing a number of genres including SF, fantasy, horror, and fairy tales.
 
posted by [identity profile] lady-octavia.livejournal.com at 09:21pm on 09/09/2005
ohhhh, that makes so much more sense, I was wondering if that was a name for speculative fiction based in philosophy sort of Orwell, Huxley type stuff.
 
posted by [identity profile] littleowl.livejournal.com at 05:28pm on 09/09/2005
I know I've read some of the Noddy books, I just can't remember which ones. There was a decent selection of them on the shelves of my Sunday School classroom when I was growing up in Belgium and attending the big Anglican church there. So I didn't 'vote' for the one Noddy book that showed up on the list.

As for categories - spec. fic. could be interesting, though I find myself tantalized by the idea of the classics. How many of us actually -read- them for school and how many just skimmed enough chapters to pass tests etc. for example? ;) I know I'm guilty of this in reference to several major classics that are taught in AP English in the U.S.
 
posted by [identity profile] momiji.livejournal.com at 06:00pm on 09/09/2005
WOOT! I didn't come close this time. I think I was 2nd or 3rd for litature.
 
posted by [identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com at 08:22pm on 09/09/2005
I'd love the sf, although I'm sure I'd end up totally humiliated -- all breadth and no depth.

Definitely would love Classics -- and have also read the Iliad numerous times -- and the Aeneid but have never finished that one with the really long trip home.

Ancient and Medieval History would be good for a bunch of us, if only to see what things we were supposed to have read and never did ... not to mention to expand our reading lists!

How 'bout 19th c. novels?
 
posted by [identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com at 08:31pm on 09/09/2005
Thought I'd re-post this, since it's a bit late. I think the song is on Shivaree's first album. I'm pretty sure it's on one of the Kill Bill soundtracks, too.
 
posted by [identity profile] curtana.livejournal.com at 02:11am on 10/09/2005
I think a poetry round could be interesting. Perhaps one for short stories?
 
posted by [identity profile] retsuko.livejournal.com at 04:41am on 10/09/2005
I voted for speculative fiction, but I would be keen on doing a mystery game, too. The problem with being brought up on PBS' Mystery was that I was far too lazy to read the books as a result. ^-^;;

My perception of Tuck Everlasting wasn't particularly distorted by the film or lack thereof; I've just never gotten around to it, and I keep hoping its Newberry status will guilt me into doing so.
 
posted by [identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com at 05:56am on 10/09/2005
I just read Catherine, called Birdy because of its Newberry status. Terribly disappointing. Not the same Newberry as the Susan Cooper type. And I may have to talk about it at a conference. Where the author might be present. And my objections are as much about the book itself and its flawed construction (like the sudden 'I am Ok with my arranged marriage because I'm a budding feminist in the 14th c. and I will always own my soul and it's not that the guy is young and maybe cute' bit at the end that is somehow supposed to explain and justify the actions of the main character, who has in any case the attitude of a self-indulgent 20th c. child. Etc.) as they are about the so-called medieval reality portrayed therein.
 
posted by [identity profile] larkvi.livejournal.com at 09:36pm on 10/09/2005
I have in fact not read either of the two top contenders--woe to me for being late to the pick!
 
posted by [identity profile] griffinick.livejournal.com at 12:21am on 13/09/2005
Would Harry Potter beat out all comers, as lazyknight and griffinick hoped, and kashmera feared?

Actually, I'm not sorry that Harry Potter didn't win, as I don't really have any intention of reading it (though perhaps [livejournal.com profile] lazyknight does). It was a fun game, and an interesting theme.

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