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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 04:59pm on 25/02/2005
When [livejournal.com profile] jennybeast and I were undergrads together, we spent a summer in Oxford, at Trinity College, going to UMass-organized summer school. The program coordinators were graduate students in English, and one day, when we were driving somewhere in a van - Stratford, maybe - the grad students taught us to play a game called Humiliation.

It's a simple game: each person admits to NOT having read a particular book which they really ought to have, and gets points for every other person who HAS read the book. In other words, you win by choosing books which everyone but you has read. In real life games, everyone can have several turns until someone has racked up enough points to easily win, or the group tires of the game.

Over in [livejournal.com profile] earlymodern, [livejournal.com profile] elettaria has started an LJ version of Humiliation. There are games going strong in a number of other journals and communities, including an enormous one in [livejournal.com profile] literary_theory. But the problem with playing in comments is that it's very easy for whoever commented first to garner the most votes. Many of the early players will forget to check back and see if they've read later competitors' books or not. Later players will have the most chances to vote on the earliest players.

Thus I am nobly volunteering my LJ-space for a more organized version of the game. If you want to compete, comment below with the name of a book you've never read. On Saturday afternoon, I'll compile all the entries into a poll, with lots of ticky boxes, so everyone will have equal access to votes. On Monday, we'll find out who won. The more popular the book, the more likely you are to win - but do be honest.

Update: Entries are closed for this edition of Humiliation. Voting is now underway for the worst-read entrant!
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posted by [identity profile] alysonwonderlan.livejournal.com at 09:57pm on 25/02/2005
War and Peace
 
posted by [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com at 09:57pm on 25/02/2005
It's a terrific game, invented I believe by David Lodge. I have never read "The Canterbury Tales".
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 10:04pm on 25/02/2005
All other posts on this subject I've read cited the game from David Lodge. According to Amazon, the book in question, Small World, was published on June 1, 1995. We played the game in June-July 1995, so either our grad students were very early players of the game, or else the game predates the book to some degree.
 
posted by [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com at 10:19pm on 25/02/2005
My copy says Copyright 1984
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 10:25pm on 25/02/2005
Then that certainly ups the likelihood that the game was inspired by the book. I shouldn't trust Amazon publication dates, since they frequently don't mention what edition or reprinting the book is in.
 
posted by [identity profile] momiji.livejournal.com at 10:02pm on 25/02/2005
I never read Hamlet
 
posted by [identity profile] aquitaineq.livejournal.com at 10:03pm on 25/02/2005
I have never read The Grapes of Wrath.
 
posted by [identity profile] morganlf.livejournal.com at 10:07pm on 25/02/2005
I have never read The Illiad.

you may now kick me out of the academy.
 
posted by [identity profile] lemur-catta.livejournal.com at 10:23pm on 25/02/2005
I've never read Sir Gawain and the Green Knight.
 
posted by [identity profile] littleowl.livejournal.com at 10:30pm on 25/02/2005
Pride and Prejudice

... and that was such a fun trip. The day I left I remember thinking that I wished I could spend the rest of the summer hiding out in a corner of your room ;)
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 11:30pm on 25/02/2005
I'm so glad you came to visit that summer!

Have you read any other Jane Austen books?
 
posted by [identity profile] littleowl.livejournal.com at 11:32pm on 25/02/2005
Emma and Sense & Sensibility
 
posted by [identity profile] easterbunny.livejournal.com at 10:47pm on 25/02/2005
Jane Eyre.
 
posted by [identity profile] kashmera.livejournal.com at 11:00pm on 25/02/2005
Does having to read the first couple of chapters in English class aged 12 (they made us go round the class reading a few paragraphs aloud) count as having read it?

If not, then I'll put down 'The Hobbit'

(never got round to it, read too many Forgotten Realms instead)

If so, then I'll go with...hm...Around the World in 80 Days.
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 11:05pm on 25/02/2005
If you haven't read most of the book, I think you can safely claim it.
 
posted by [identity profile] kashmera.livejournal.com at 11:18pm on 25/02/2005
I think I can safely say I haven't.

Personally I'd say listening to somebody else stumbling their way through it a few paragraphs at a time twice a week probably doesn't even count as reading.
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posted by [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com at 11:02pm on 25/02/2005
Lord of the Rings
 
posted by [identity profile] of-remedye.livejournal.com at 12:12am on 26/02/2005
Oooh--that'll win if *Pride and Prejudice* doesn't.
 
posted by [identity profile] carmen-sandiego.livejournal.com at 11:03pm on 25/02/2005
Wuthering Heights. *looks sheepish*
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 11:06pm on 25/02/2005
Colin wants to play - he hasn't read Watership Down.

I'm still trying to decide, but currently I'm leaning more towards something from modern popular fiction instead of a classic.
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 11:37pm on 25/02/2005
Bridget Jones's Diary.
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 11:38pm on 25/02/2005
Although that's a good suggestion. I haven't read any of his books either.
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 06:13am on 26/02/2005
Hmm... although there are some children's classics I could go with...
 
posted by [identity profile] snowdrifted.livejournal.com at 11:41pm on 25/02/2005
*squeak*

Pride and Prejudice. :S
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 11:45pm on 25/02/2005
You're in with [livejournal.com profile] littleowl for that one. If you win, you'll have to share. (Which is fine. But just so you know that glory would not be yours alone.)
 
posted by [identity profile] of-remedye.livejournal.com at 12:11am on 26/02/2005
Good for you for the better mousetrap!

::thinks, since I totally lost out with the last one I played::

Small World
 
posted by [identity profile] benet.livejournal.com at 04:50am on 26/02/2005
To be more precise, I think Lodge's first use of Humiliation was in Changing Places, where an English lecturer loses his job (well, fails to get his contract renewed) because of admitting publicly to not having read Hamlet. The same character shows up later in Small World having been banished to a nameless university in the Prairies and nursing a grudge against the suggestor of the original game -- Lodge's fictional alter-ego, Phillip Swallow. Changing Places is somewhat roman a clef: Lodge and Stanley Fish did actually participate in a faculty exchange between Berkeley and Birmingham in the late 1960s, but to the best of anybody's knowledge they did not sleep with each other's wives, nor did Lodge inadvertently cause anybody to be banished to Lethbridge via an innocent party game.

Anyway, I'm a computer-geek type so it probably isn't fair for me to be playing this at all, but let me confess that I have never read Wuthering Heights. (My Film Humiliation chances are much better -- I have never seen The Godfather.)
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 06:12am on 26/02/2005
You're a very well read computer-geek though. I wouldn't do well with movies either.

Thanks to this game, other instances of it, and your explanation, I've now hear a fair amount about David Lodge. How are his books readability-wise? Did you enjoy them?

I think this makes two of you pinning your hopes to Wuthering Heights. Not that I've read it either.
 
posted by [identity profile] retsuko.livejournal.com at 04:55am on 26/02/2005
I have never read The Bell Jar...it just never came up.
 
posted by [identity profile] suslikuk.livejournal.com at 09:28am on 26/02/2005

Tess of the d'Urbavilles - I avoided it in English Lit class and read Animal Farm instead.

I was going to try for Grapes of Wrath and Pride and Prejudice but was beaten to it.

 
posted by [identity profile] finnygan.livejournal.com at 01:44pm on 26/02/2005
Came here via [livejournal.com profile] elettaria's journal. Hello.

I've never read Richard III. (You'd think that after thinking about it for a day, I should have been able to come up with something better, wouldn't you?)
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 03:06pm on 26/02/2005
Hello!

I can think of many books I haven't read, but the real challenge is coming up with a book that might have a competitive edge. Trying to guess as to whether more people might have read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Le Morte d'Arthur, or Lysistrata is difficult.
 
posted by [identity profile] finnygan.livejournal.com at 06:19pm on 26/02/2005
Exactly! I really never thought that it could be so difficult to guess which book the largest number of people (taking into consideration what kind of people we're dealing with here - that is, mostly lit students) has read - with the minor clause that you can't have read it yourself. But I figured that everyone's been forcefed Shakespeare from an early age, so someone has to have read Richard III.

(Though I actually was having a moment of doubt about whether or not I've read Romeo and Juliet - I can't remember ever reading the whole thing - but I figured that if I had, it would be cheating, even if I can't remember it. I have a feeling that might have been a good one, though.)
 
posted by [identity profile] gravities.livejournal.com at 04:39pm on 27/02/2005
I've never read David Copperfield. In fact, the only Dickens I've read is Bleak House for my master's exam, so any Dickens works for me. What's the famous one that was remade into a movie with Gwyneth Paltrow and Ethan Hawke? That one. Yeah. ;)
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 04:32pm on 28/02/2005
I've read very little Dickens myself. Great Expectations and "A Christmas Carol" in high school - and that's it. I'm surprise there are so few nineteenth-century entries in this round of the game. The eighteenth century is a source of greater alarm.

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