posted by
owlfish at 02:22pm on 07/03/2004
Thanks to
hilly02, I ran across the journals of two anthropomorphized Martian rovers (
spiritrover and
opportnitygrrl), plus the probe
cassini_saturn. (I haven't read boingboing for a while, and so had missed the mention of Opportunity's journal here.) They make for very charming reading.
Speaking of other world, on the subject of other languages, would Latin have been thought of as a "foreign" language in the middle ages and renaissance in western europe, or just an alternate language for the educated? My understanding is that, in the late mlddle ages at least, the term "literate" refers to people who knew latin, not just people who could read and write in the vernacular. I'm chewing over this thought because of this sentence, "Like linguistic thinkers, Leonardo made meticulous descriptions in his journals. He also made an effort to learn Latin - a foreign language." It comes from some meme-quiz which was quoted but not linked to here, so I don't know where it's from. I know that meme-quizzes are no good source of knowledge, but it's still an interesting question. What qualifies as a foreign language?
Speaking of other world, on the subject of other languages, would Latin have been thought of as a "foreign" language in the middle ages and renaissance in western europe, or just an alternate language for the educated? My understanding is that, in the late mlddle ages at least, the term "literate" refers to people who knew latin, not just people who could read and write in the vernacular. I'm chewing over this thought because of this sentence, "Like linguistic thinkers, Leonardo made meticulous descriptions in his journals. He also made an effort to learn Latin - a foreign language." It comes from some meme-quiz which was quoted but not linked to here, so I don't know where it's from. I know that meme-quizzes are no good source of knowledge, but it's still an interesting question. What qualifies as a foreign language?
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Just off the top of my head, I'd suggest that there are at least two more categories of "other" language: high and low undesirable languages, both equally familiar within a century or two of da Vinci. The low-undesirable option is best described as "vulgar" and is no doubt familiar to you if you've looked at late medieval Latin writers addressing vernacular theology. On the other hand, some of the Protestant second- and third-generation reformers, in dizzying transports of anti-scholasticism, came up with attitudes toward Latin that sound a lot more like our culture's prevalent attitudes toward humanities "jargon"; that's a high-undesirable, or "elitist," language.
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My knowledge of post-medieval culture is sadly shoddier than it ought to be. I had not realized there was such a Protestant backlash to Latin, although, of course it makes sense. I presume that, to whatever degree it occured, it was one of the key factors in the general decline and fall of use of the Latin language. By the beginning of the twentieth century, it was still a language taught to the educated elite, but it certainly no longer qualified as a spoken language. That leaves me with several hundred years of intervening history of Latin of which I am rather ignorant.
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Latin continued to be viewed as an essential part of an educated European gentleman's education until around about WWI -- I have a colleague who, last I heard, was finishing a book on this shift -- but it had stopped being a language of living scholarship except in very Vatican circles by the eighteenth century. (In those circles, however, it surprises me how recently (within fifty years) certain Catholic universities required theses written in Latin, and certain journals (ever check out the back-issues of Archivum Franciscanum Historicum?) were actually published in Latin.) Now we're down to the Vatican, those Finnish radio broadcasts, lawyers, and Harry Potter.
unhelpful, but true...
*scratches head and stares at her Wheelock*
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