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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 07:57pm on 29/01/2013 under
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You may sense a theme in recent polls.

Edited to add: Early days yet on this poll, but given the song's ubiquitousness in local baby-oriented singalongs around here, I thought it was a standard feature of English childhood which C (who's from Lancs.) had just happened to miss out on. I'm glad I asked since it may be either fairly recent or relatively local. I await further data.
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posted by [identity profile] sollersuk.livejournal.com at 08:06pm on 29/01/2013
Never heard of it, but my background is South Wales and London. I shall ask G, whose mother was a millgirl.
 
posted by [identity profile] despotliz.livejournal.com at 08:09pm on 29/01/2013
I also used bobbins in the slang sense: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bobbins
 
posted by [identity profile] lil-shepherd.livejournal.com at 08:22pm on 29/01/2013
My background is South Yorkshire/Derbyshire (where my grandparents came from) and (and my mother was German, but that's irrelevant.)

Though Opie records it as Yorkshire, I never heard of it, and I have fond (and clear) memories of most of our playground games and chants. It looks to me as if it originated in the mill towns (Sheffield, my hometown, had no textile industry - it was all steel and heavy engineering) so would be Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax and the other West Yorkshire mill towns.
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 08:25pm on 29/01/2013
None of which it explains how it came to rival "The Wheels on the Bus"* and "Twinkle Twinkle" as the thus-far (in my limited experience) most popular song to teach babies in NE London/W Essex.

* Which will be getting a post of its own in the near future
 
posted by [identity profile] lil-shepherd.livejournal.com at 08:31pm on 29/01/2013
It's a meme! If I had to guess, I'd say that someone who had been taught it as a child introduced it to a class in Epping/Loughton some years ago. It could even have been a kindergarten or infants' teacher which would explain this odd proliferation in this area.

NB Wikipedia also says it's first recorded in the 1890s and they found it in Yorkshire in the 1980s, which is 20-30 years after my own childhood.
Edited Date: 2013-01-29 08:36 pm (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] inamac.livejournal.com at 08:57pm on 29/01/2013
Google reveals lots of 'early learning' books and videos which are intended for nursery teachers. I'd guess that it was included in some 'standard text' collection for teachers in the 80s and spread from there.
 
posted by [identity profile] lil-shepherd.livejournal.com at 08:43pm on 29/01/2013
Oh, and thanks so much for earworming me with 'The Wheels on the Bus.'

Urgh.
 
posted by [identity profile] eulistes.livejournal.com at 08:45pm on 29/01/2013
Further data point: T. (genesis Ireland) has never heard of it either.
 
posted by [identity profile] pennski.livejournal.com at 08:51pm on 29/01/2013
My upbringing is South West - never heard of it.
I wound bobbins on a sewing machine at about age 12. Does that count?
 
posted by [identity profile] bohemiancoast.livejournal.com at 10:06pm on 29/01/2013
Oops, of course I wound bobbins on sewing machines. I didn't really think of that.
 
posted by [identity profile] bohemiancoast.livejournal.com at 10:06pm on 29/01/2013
I remembered it fondly from my childhood, together with its actions, and although I never wound bobbins, we used to sing it while winding wool for my grandmother, which honestly is almost close enough to tick. So I was delighted to discover that it was still being sung in Walthamstow when M was tiny. It endures for tinies because of the startlingly good actions.

On the other hand, I had never, as a child, heard the ubiquitous 'Sleeping Bunnies'.
 
posted by [identity profile] bohemiancoast.livejournal.com at 10:07pm on 29/01/2013
I learnt it in school in Gloucestershire, but my mother and grandmothers already knew it I think.
 
posted by [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com at 12:01am on 30/01/2013
I do not know the song, but when we were squabbling children my mother used to appear and cry "I need bobbins wound for my sewing-machine!" And we would sit there laboriously winding thread around bobbins, and by the time we were done all squabbling had vanished from our minds.

And it was not until I was an adult that I learned that my mother's sewing-machine had a device for winding bobbins, that would do the job in seconds...

(My mother is now 92, and still evil.)
 
posted by [identity profile] tsutanai.livejournal.com at 12:43am on 30/01/2013
Ours had that feature too. And it broke.

Hence my bobbin-winding credentials. (Purely voluntary in my case. My mom just yelled and sent us to separate rooms.)
 
posted by [identity profile] gillpolack.livejournal.com at 11:45am on 30/01/2013
Ours kept breaking (the bobbin winder) and we did a better job anyhow. It did not, however, stop us arguing.
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posted by [personal profile] deborah_c at 01:42am on 30/01/2013
You have no tickybox for "that thing drove me almost insane when my children were tiny, and you have just reminded me". I suppose "song" is probably technically accurate, but "malevolent earworm from the depths of hell" seems more appropriate...
 
posted by [identity profile] sioneva.livejournal.com at 04:22am on 30/01/2013
We sang it at baby groups in Manchester.

I wound thread bobbins as a kid. But did not sing the song and had never heard of it then ;)
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posted by [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com at 05:49pm on 30/01/2013
Interesting.... I don't remember it from my childhood in Manchester in the 1950s, despite having a grandmother and great aunt who worked in cotton mills. We did call the things that cotton comes on "bobbins" rather than "reels", but I never knew a song about winding them.
 
posted by [identity profile] tanglewitch.livejournal.com at 07:50am on 30/01/2013
I grew up in Cheshire and never heard it until I had Daf (in Yorkshire). Interestingly I live in North Yorkshire and was taught it by a mum from West Yorkshire. It seems quite well known in my NCT area but we cover bits of North, South, East and West Yorkshire!
 
posted by [identity profile] del-c.livejournal.com at 05:52pm on 30/01/2013
I am now wondering if "Oranges and Lemons" is as well known to children as my personal history would lead me to think, or if it's really just endemic to London. Obviously many adults have heard of it, but know it from their playground days? With the moves that go with "chop... chop... chop..."?
 
posted by [identity profile] lil-shepherd.livejournal.com at 08:30pm on 30/01/2013
It was certainly sung and 'chopped' in South Yorkshire in my childhood in the 50s and 60s.
 
posted by [identity profile] coth.livejournal.com at 06:07pm on 30/01/2013
I encountered it in toddler groups here when daughter was small - not a feature of my childhood. I guess I just thought it was local...
 
posted by [identity profile] stormwindz.livejournal.com at 07:15pm on 30/01/2013
Agreeing with quite a few of the above commenters - not a feature of my childhood but very popular with the playgroup Linnea went to. The first few times she came home and sang it to me I was clueless (until I actually saw it for myself with someone with better enunciation leading a group).

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