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Within vs. Inside vs Inside of

posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 05:58pm on 13/05/2011 under
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posted by [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com at 05:17pm on 13/05/2011
I'd be more inclined to say "in the first five lines of the poem".
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 05:24pm on 13/05/2011
That was a major omission on my part - good point.

Fortunately, my real goal in posting this was to find out if "inside the first five lines" was valid and, if so, for whom/where it might be valid, so the poll is still fit for purpose.
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posted by [identity profile] gillpolack.livejournal.com at 05:59pm on 13/05/2011
Me too.
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posted by [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com at 06:18pm on 13/05/2011
Me too.
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posted by [identity profile] daisho.livejournal.com at 06:42pm on 13/05/2011
Me too. :) But, to address the point at issue, I'd say 'inside' is a suitable limiting word in the circumstances, just not the preferable one.
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posted by [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com at 08:28pm on 13/05/2011
+1.
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posted by [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_nicolai_/ at 10:02am on 14/05/2011
Me too.
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posted by [identity profile] justinsomnia.livejournal.com at 06:44pm on 13/05/2011
I've never heard/seen "inside" used in that context (at least, not that I remember).
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posted by [identity profile] eulistes.livejournal.com at 09:04pm on 13/05/2011
Me neither. Actually, both "inside" and "inside of" sounded seriously wrong (colloquial, maybe in a regional sense?) to me.

"In the first five lines of the poem" and "within the first five lines of the poem" have different connotations for me—"within" is more cumulative, whereas "in" is more strictly delimiting.

Interesting question!
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posted by [identity profile] lil-shepherd.livejournal.com at 07:15pm on 13/05/2011
Yeah, 'in' would be okay, but 'within' is also fine, if formal, and can I add my voice to those who've never heard or read 'inside of' in this context.
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posted by [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com at 07:32pm on 13/05/2011
Yes - I voted 'within' before adding the comment above.
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posted by [identity profile] sollersuk.livejournal.com at 08:22pm on 13/05/2011
I'd only use "inside" in a situation such as a poem had been carved into stone with big letters and there was an object (not an event) tucked into one of the letters.

I'm trying hard, and unsuccessfully, to think of any situation where I would say "inside of" unless it was referring to the inner surface ("The inside of the box was black")
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posted by [identity profile] tammabanana.livejournal.com at 12:03am on 14/05/2011
It took me a couple hours, but I thought of one (but just one): I've heard "inside of an hour, [blahblahblah happened]".

I wouldn't really use "inside of" for anything but a physical object, though, either.
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posted by [identity profile] alextiefling.livejournal.com at 12:45pm on 14/05/2011
I only use 'inside of' prepositionally for Groucho Marx quotations.
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posted by [identity profile] bohemiancoast.livejournal.com at 08:39pm on 13/05/2011
In, or during. 'inside of' is a US construction and it's the Germanic influence. Inside just seems weird to me.
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posted by [identity profile] intertext.livejournal.com at 02:46am on 14/05/2011
+1 "In" would be the received usage for me.
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posted by [identity profile] tsutanai.livejournal.com at 03:16am on 14/05/2011
For "in," moi aussi.
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posted by [identity profile] keira-online.livejournal.com at 01:56pm on 14/05/2011
My first thought was that I obviously read the wrong sort of poems as I wouldn't expect an event to happen at all.
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posted by [identity profile] stormwindz.livejournal.com at 01:27am on 16/05/2011
is influenced by the hour (2 am), and the Swedish options of inom/inuti. I often think things sound correct if they're in the right order or words in Swedish or English, even if it's said in the opposite language, unless I think about it specifically.
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