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Dear People raised in the UK or Canada, and other people who like filling out polls:
[Poll #1679508]

Languages are challenging, not least because they keep changing. "an historian" and "an historical figure" were some of the British grammatical quirks I got down early.

Only now, the internet tells me, times, they are a changin'. It's okay to use "a" instead of "an" for histor* words in British Englishes. I would like some more evidence on the subject one way or the other.
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posted by [identity profile] geesepalace.livejournal.com at 02:39pm on 10/02/2011
I think I'd say AN before a word beginning with an unaccented but pronounced H. Thus an hotel, an historian, an hypothesis; but A sounds ok too and I doubt I'm consistent. At some point I was told that only the A is correct.

What did you learn to say at home?
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 02:42pm on 10/02/2011
I learned "a historian" and "a historical". I think of "an", at least in terms of written work, as being a Britishism I had to learn. (Only now I'm working on the degree to which I should unlearn it, on the basis of this poll and discussion.)
 
posted by [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com at 03:39pm on 10/02/2011
I would certainly write "a historian", but if I were speaking quickly I might go with "an" just because that would allow me to elide the h: I find "a histor-" slightly difficult to say. Which I've always assumed to be the original motive behind that curious English habit of silencing the h, but really truly we hardly do it any more. The last person I heard speak of "an 'otel" (in an upper-class accent) was John Betjeman, and that was long ago. [Oh - unless it was Robert Robinson. He might still do it.]

And I get to laugh at Karen on an almost-weekly basis, because she says "'erb" in that weird American way, when it quite clearly has a valid h on the front.
 
posted by [identity profile] tsutanai.livejournal.com at 04:58pm on 10/02/2011
Just was thinking, is this a question for that fancy new Google lexeme too?
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 05:14pm on 10/02/2011
 
posted by [identity profile] tsutanai.livejournal.com at 05:32pm on 10/02/2011
The American chart has the overtaking in the 1940s. I can't help but wonder if there's not a sort of social cause... like, perhaps, the increase in higher education (democratization of the academy)--although that starts in the 1940s and you'd think that it'd lag that, then. The Depression? Jazz-age literary trends making people used to things? Migration leveling dialect?

Pity I have to go back to ancient astronomy as opposed to working on this. ;)
 
posted by [identity profile] tsutanai.livejournal.com at 05:32pm on 10/02/2011
... Although before I do, that it's in the 1960s is rather telling, i'n't it?
 
posted by [identity profile] sioneva.livejournal.com at 05:09pm on 10/02/2011
Oops. I misread that as "US" rather than "UK". I have now destroyed your poll results. *sobs*
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 05:13pm on 10/02/2011
No, no, read *even more carefully* the three categories of people who should fill out the poll.
 
posted by [identity profile] sioneva.livejournal.com at 05:15pm on 10/02/2011
Well, I don't usually like filling out polls...unless they're language-related polls. Does that still count?
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posted by [personal profile] owlfish at 05:23pm on 10/02/2011
It'll do. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] sioneva.livejournal.com at 05:29pm on 10/02/2011
I've assumed it stems from the French origin of "history" (well, French origin in English)? I've always wondered why it's carried over when the "h" is obviously pronounced in English now, regardless of where you're from (except for small regional pronunciation differences). "An History" sounds so awkward to me, in contrast with the little "r" sound between vowels that UK speakers throw in, which sounds quite pleasant.
 
posted by [identity profile] keira-online.livejournal.com at 09:24pm on 10/02/2011
I was alwasy taught that "an" should be used as the "h" isn't strong enough by itself.
But on reading your poll, my first thought was that I'd never use a/an historian. Electrians, Plumbers, even piano tuners, but never historians.
 
posted by [identity profile] momist.livejournal.com at 09:30pm on 10/02/2011
I wanted to write this before I read too many of the other comments, as they might have distorted my view.

"A historian" is a direct reference to a particular person, although not defined (and could be any). "An historical figure" could be anyone. For me, as a natural (pedantic maybe, but untutored) English speaker, the difference, I think, is crucial. But I am struggling to define it. I'll give this some more thought when I'm less tired.

Actually, I would say either of both, but in different contexts. Why?

 
posted by [identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com at 02:14am on 11/02/2011
I have to say it is entirely contextual. I'm not sure I'd ever use it in writing, but depending on the flow of the sentence, I might use 'a' or 'an'
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